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	<title>Comments on: Movie review: Star Trek (or, What&#8217;s old is new again)</title>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
		<link>http://www.ladyvulcan.com/2009/05/08/whats-old-is-new-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6214</link>
		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Kirk-Spock exchange went a long way toward making me reasonably okay with the Spock-Uhura relationship in general!

As it happens, we went to see this again last night.  Still good the second time.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Kirk-Spock exchange went a long way toward making me reasonably okay with the Spock-Uhura relationship in general!</p>
<p>As it happens, we went to see this again last night.  Still good the second time.  <img src='http://www.ladyvulcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elf</title>
		<link>http://www.ladyvulcan.com/2009/05/08/whats-old-is-new-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6212</link>
		<dc:creator>Elf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I is late, I fail to check blogs.  I&#039;m not really attached to TOS (or any other of the Trek franchises), so the movie didn&#039;t fail me on a fannish scale.  It just was moments of really bad science (you can&#039;t even follow your own bad science continuity! A planet blows up with no time to save anyone, but you get ten minutes to taunt the Romulan?  Seriously?) and the odd interpersonal comment or two that left me from going &#039;that was a super-fun movie.&#039;

I&#039;d&#039;ve been more okay with the Spock/Uhura thing if she hadn&#039;t jumped his nonresponsive bones in an elevator directly after his planet exploded. (It creeped me out so much.)  I can understand wanting to give him a hug of sympathy.  Patting him down with kisses?  Not so much. (The make out on the teleporter pad though?  I was totally down with that. Especially the Kirk-Spock exchange directly after it.  Hilarious.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I is late, I fail to check blogs.  I&#8217;m not really attached to TOS (or any other of the Trek franchises), so the movie didn&#8217;t fail me on a fannish scale.  It just was moments of really bad science (you can&#8217;t even follow your own bad science continuity! A planet blows up with no time to save anyone, but you get ten minutes to taunt the Romulan?  Seriously?) and the odd interpersonal comment or two that left me from going &#8216;that was a super-fun movie.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d've been more okay with the Spock/Uhura thing if she hadn&#8217;t jumped his nonresponsive bones in an elevator directly after his planet exploded. (It creeped me out so much.)  I can understand wanting to give him a hug of sympathy.  Patting him down with kisses?  Not so much. (The make out on the teleporter pad though?  I was totally down with that. Especially the Kirk-Spock exchange directly after it.  Hilarious.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tae</title>
		<link>http://www.ladyvulcan.com/2009/05/08/whats-old-is-new-again/comment-page-1/#comment-5664</link>
		<dc:creator>Tae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 09:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welll.....I still love the original cast better. If I hadn&#039;t known anything about them prior to watching the new one, I&#039;d be fine I think. I wasn&#039;t overly disappointed. The clearest difference between the two casts- watching Old Spock and New Spock together. There&#039;s a gravitas and, I hate to say it, magic to Nimoy. Wisdom even. And Spock daddy I hated. Bleh.

And my favorite character by far was Scotty, followed by Bones (sort of...definitely not Kelly but that scene with him going &quot;I can fix that!&quot; cracked me the hell up).

Did not like the Uhura/Spock thing. Was weird for me but I can see how they could want to toss things around. 

So overall- not too bad but still not the originals for me. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welll&#8230;..I still love the original cast better. If I hadn&#8217;t known anything about them prior to watching the new one, I&#8217;d be fine I think. I wasn&#8217;t overly disappointed. The clearest difference between the two casts- watching Old Spock and New Spock together. There&#8217;s a gravitas and, I hate to say it, magic to Nimoy. Wisdom even. And Spock daddy I hated. Bleh.</p>
<p>And my favorite character by far was Scotty, followed by Bones (sort of&#8230;definitely not Kelly but that scene with him going &#8220;I can fix that!&#8221; cracked me the hell up).</p>
<p>Did not like the Uhura/Spock thing. Was weird for me but I can see how they could want to toss things around. </p>
<p>So overall- not too bad but still not the originals for me. <img src='http://www.ladyvulcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, thanks for that link. You can bet I spent an obsessed hour or three last week looking for discussion boards with people having rather more working knowledge than I do of Slavs speaking English, to make it &quot;okay&quot; in my mind. It turns out that speakers of languages with either [v] or [w] but not both do sometimes overcorrect when speaking a language that has both, as they can have trouble telling *which* sound is supposed to appear in the word. &quot;Willage&quot; according to two accounts is fairly common among Russians (and apparently some Germans).

Additionally, apparently Lithuanian (a Baltic language, not Slavic, but still..) has [w] and not [v], and Walter Koenig&#039;s parents were Lithuanian-Jewish. If Koenig modeled his accent off listening to his parents and other Lithuanians speak English, and if they constantly used the [w] that they were familiar with, I would find that a plausible explanation.

:D  (The discussion that put me most at ease is at http://volokh.com/posts/1242082715.shtml . When are you going to give us a preview function so I can check my html? :3 )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, thanks for that link. You can bet I spent an obsessed hour or three last week looking for discussion boards with people having rather more working knowledge than I do of Slavs speaking English, to make it &#8220;okay&#8221; in my mind. It turns out that speakers of languages with either [v] or [w] but not both do sometimes overcorrect when speaking a language that has both, as they can have trouble telling *which* sound is supposed to appear in the word. &#8220;Willage&#8221; according to two accounts is fairly common among Russians (and apparently some Germans).</p>
<p>Additionally, apparently Lithuanian (a Baltic language, not Slavic, but still..) has [w] and not [v], and Walter Koenig&#8217;s parents were Lithuanian-Jewish. If Koenig modeled his accent off listening to his parents and other Lithuanians speak English, and if they constantly used the [w] that they were familiar with, I would find that a plausible explanation.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.ladyvulcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   (The discussion that put me most at ease is at <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1242082715.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://volokh.com/posts/1242082715.shtml</a> . When are you going to give us a preview function so I can check my html? :3 )</p>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whee!  I want to go see it again, too.

Re: Chekov&#039;s accent, you might be amused by &lt;a href=&quot;http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/08/exclusive-interview-with-anton-yelchin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what the actor has to say&lt;/a&gt; about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whee!  I want to go see it again, too.</p>
<p>Re: Chekov&#8217;s accent, you might be amused by <a href="http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/08/exclusive-interview-with-anton-yelchin/" rel="nofollow">what the actor has to say</a> about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://www.ladyvulcan.com/2009/05/08/whats-old-is-new-again/comment-page-1/#comment-5637</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, I don&#039;t know why I didn&#039;t come to check here! D:

Last Sunday a bunch of us from work trekked down to Orlando to see it in IMAX! It was excellent. Then I saw it again here this week, and I want to watch it a third time. :D

All I wanted to see was the McCoy-Kirk-(Spock) relationship, and it delivered everything I hoped for. It&#039;s always been a character-driven story, to me.

There were also dozens of nods to the original series, from the senseless death of the redshirt, to the tribble (watch for it!), to Chekov&#039;s incorrect Russian accent (though one *could* argue that it&#039;s an overcorrection issue, which you do see in some native Russians speaking English as a second language...). Half the audience kept roaring with laughter and confusing the rest of the audience. XD

I also LOVED the cinematography. I know that not everyone is keen on the &quot;Star Trek: Lens Flare Edition&quot;, but I really enjoyed it. It was lovely to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, I don&#8217;t know why I didn&#8217;t come to check here! D:</p>
<p>Last Sunday a bunch of us from work trekked down to Orlando to see it in IMAX! It was excellent. Then I saw it again here this week, and I want to watch it a third time. <img src='http://www.ladyvulcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All I wanted to see was the McCoy-Kirk-(Spock) relationship, and it delivered everything I hoped for. It&#8217;s always been a character-driven story, to me.</p>
<p>There were also dozens of nods to the original series, from the senseless death of the redshirt, to the tribble (watch for it!), to Chekov&#8217;s incorrect Russian accent (though one *could* argue that it&#8217;s an overcorrection issue, which you do see in some native Russians speaking English as a second language&#8230;). Half the audience kept roaring with laughter and confusing the rest of the audience. XD</p>
<p>I also LOVED the cinematography. I know that not everyone is keen on the &#8220;Star Trek: Lens Flare Edition&#8221;, but I really enjoyed it. It was lovely to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, yes.  I don&#039;t expect anything in the Star Wars universe to be worth watching until someone wrests control away from Lucas.  (Again...)

I look forward to your babble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, yes.  I don&#8217;t expect anything in the Star Wars universe to be worth watching until someone wrests control away from Lucas.  (Again&#8230;)</p>
<p>I look forward to your babble!</p>
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		<title>By: Tae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 08:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up on both equally- although the more ambigiousness gray of morality in Star Wars I find more satisfying than Trek verse.

I think possibly, no offense to Roddenberry- but the fact that he and his wife have both left for the final frontier may have given that room that Abrahams needed to play. I think Lucas is too close to his universe and a little too controlling. Seeing things through fresh eyes can help (as long as those fresh eyes don&#039;t think themselves better simply for being &#039;young and hip!&#039;)

But I will probably babble more upon seeing the movie. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up on both equally- although the more ambigiousness gray of morality in Star Wars I find more satisfying than Trek verse.</p>
<p>I think possibly, no offense to Roddenberry- but the fact that he and his wife have both left for the final frontier may have given that room that Abrahams needed to play. I think Lucas is too close to his universe and a little too controlling. Seeing things through fresh eyes can help (as long as those fresh eyes don&#8217;t think themselves better simply for being &#8216;young and hip!&#8217;)</p>
<p>But I will probably babble more upon seeing the movie. <img src='http://www.ladyvulcan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely about the utter failure of the Star Wars prequels.  I almost drew a parallel to the big fight between Anakin and Obi Wan in Episode III.  It had been alluded to and we&#039;d had all those years to imagine this fight over a volcano and Anakin&#039;s fall... and I know I felt that what we got on screen just wasn&#039;t satisfying at all.

The reason it doesn&#039;t quite work as a parallel is that with Trek, there wasn&#039;t a specific event that we were picturing; we were just left to imagine how everyone met each other in a general sort of way.  I think I assumed that Kirk and Spock probably took a while to figure each other out and warm up to each other, but Abrahms had plenty of vagueness -- and happily, he was able to use it to good advantage.

I do love a few of the old Trek movies (2, 4, and 6), but there is something awfully fun about having a cast who are full of youth and vigor!

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;P.S.&lt;/strong&gt;  If any of my regular readers are confused: the above poster isn&#039;t the JC who is my husband; it&#039;s another friend with the same initials.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely about the utter failure of the Star Wars prequels.  I almost drew a parallel to the big fight between Anakin and Obi Wan in Episode III.  It had been alluded to and we&#8217;d had all those years to imagine this fight over a volcano and Anakin&#8217;s fall&#8230; and I know I felt that what we got on screen just wasn&#8217;t satisfying at all.</p>
<p>The reason it doesn&#8217;t quite work as a parallel is that with Trek, there wasn&#8217;t a specific event that we were picturing; we were just left to imagine how everyone met each other in a general sort of way.  I think I assumed that Kirk and Spock probably took a while to figure each other out and warm up to each other, but Abrahms had plenty of vagueness &#8212; and happily, he was able to use it to good advantage.</p>
<p>I do love a few of the old Trek movies (2, 4, and 6), but there is something awfully fun about having a cast who are full of youth and vigor!</p>
<p><em><strong>P.S.</strong>  If any of my regular readers are confused: the above poster isn&#8217;t the JC who is my husband; it&#8217;s another friend with the same initials.</em></p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Trek enough when I was younger, but I was always more of a Star Wars fan. This movie, though, feels like the Star Trek movie I&#039;ve been waiting for (and I saw all of the old Trek movies). The new Star Wars movies were, excuse me, complete disasters. Lucas managed to ruin the Star Wars universe for me. Abrams, on the other hand, reinvented the Trek universe for me. I&#039;m way more interested now in seeing what comes next out of Star Trek; Star Wars, I couldn&#039;t care less about. 

I think this is the biggest success of the film. It&#039;s going to bring in tons of new fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Trek enough when I was younger, but I was always more of a Star Wars fan. This movie, though, feels like the Star Trek movie I&#8217;ve been waiting for (and I saw all of the old Trek movies). The new Star Wars movies were, excuse me, complete disasters. Lucas managed to ruin the Star Wars universe for me. Abrams, on the other hand, reinvented the Trek universe for me. I&#8217;m way more interested now in seeing what comes next out of Star Trek; Star Wars, I couldn&#8217;t care less about. </p>
<p>I think this is the biggest success of the film. It&#8217;s going to bring in tons of new fans.</p>
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